For this community or the next generation.

[Ravose]

By 'this community' I am not targeting RSC/Zybez, but the actual people within the 'clan world' (so to say) that we have left, or maybe even for the next sort of generation.

There will always be a 'survival of the fittest' mentality amongst clans. That cannot be changed, nor should it. However, as we have seen some clans boast, brag, gloat, and use as their own platform of toxicity... what I mean is the obsession to kill off any clan that you (generalizing) deem necessary. While realistically, it comes down to the mentality of the leadership and the members to pull through those obsessions of others, it does come back to our community as gamers; for our 'clan word' or the next who come and take over. Some might think of this as a soft post. Some might think of this like "it's gunna happen anyways" or some just might be oblivious to the actual chain of events which have taken course with this unnecessary obsession.

Beef, drama, rivalries - these are all good for both sides. To solve your problems and disputes, take it on out on your opposition. But since the start of OSRS and pre-OSRS, we have seen what obsessive behavior does to the community. DDoSing is a common act, doxing, real-life pranks/threats/etc; those behaviors as a result, show to others why to not join and participate in clan/team PvP (CWA/Wilderness is still PvP). Regardless of the trolls and such aside, there are ways to develop a mutual and beneficial rivalry that doesn't come at the cost of your opposition closing (which hinders you in the future). That is up to you guys currently running clans/teams and up to others to decide on how to handle things. When you are so obsessed in this chain of power idea, you leave your common sense or sense of general logic behind and adapt a mindset that has been tarnishing this game's clanning community.

Maybe some will understand what I am saying and most likely, plenty others will not. Even so, I just felt like it had to be said. When a former clan mate and I had spoken, I had thought that in the end there would be only 4 primary clans around. Unfortunately, clan-wise, that seems to be either the case or just about at least. We have to keep in mind why we/you are all playing and if it's for the sake of having action - then contemplate what happens when your source of action shuts down. You won't have that group of people to challenge or prove a point to.

The more this trend stays, the quicker new players will start forming their own clans/teams, as the toxicity from previous players will be gone. But it won't ever be the same.

What are your thoughts on clan/team to clan/team beef, drama; essentially, what do you think of the mindset to kill off a clan completely? 

[Wee Man]

Too many clans are scared of and can't accept losing. Every little bit of drama and beef in our scene stems from that one way or another. It's a shame.

[Saddam]

for my part the hatreds and rivalries were what made clanning entertaining, outsmarting rivals and waiting for the rsc topic was the reason to stay up to 5 am on a saturday, gave up because didnt have the time and 8 years later there isn't a clan or person on rs i can still say i have anything against so i dont have the motivation to go in pvp let alone join a clan

the toxicity you describe is still very much alive in p2p scene so i dont think that can be the main reason our type of clans have died out. probably it just stopped being a good money maker which was the reason we used to pk back in the day? nowadays f2p multi drops aren't worth picking up and to get in a good p2p team you need to have hundreds of millions of gp worth of gear and be good at swithing overhead prayers and knowing where to run and log, the things that used to be no honour are now considered being "good at the game" , which new players aren't

[KingTheGreat]

I think the whole idea of killing a clan is dumb as hell and those who brag about it are morons. Good for you on removing competition, good luck finding people to fight when everyone is killed off.

Too many clans are scared of and can't accept losing. Every little bit of drama and beef in our scene stems from that one way or another. It's a shame.

Pretty much.

[IMK]

Recently got to see Revenant members join CT's DMM cc on stream flaming someone's (actual) dead parents. Reminds me of when RoT used to do the same to DF members. Probably not the kind of thing you want to learn and copy from other clans, haha.

[True 2k8]

Recently got to see Revenant members join CT's DMM cc on stream flaming someone's (actual) dead parents. Reminds me of when RoT used to do the same to DF members. Probably not the kind of thing you want to learn and copy from other clans, haha.

Reminds me of the 5v5 tournament Discord. Never have I seen a more goof ass chat lol

[Tyler]

What are your thoughts on clan/team to clan/team beef, drama; essentially, what do you think of the mindset to kill off a clan completely? 

Realistically it killed the game and fun for many players. Look at how many clans are left in the game, look at how much attention F2P fights get. Little to none in both categories. This isn't happening only because were getting older, but because the community is so immature and toxic (adults btw). Its legit impossible to bring in fresh blood to the clanning community because there is legit 0 benefits for someone to be a part of it. Lose money, & get flamed daily doesn't seem appealing if you ask me.

Killing a clan used to be okay 6-7 years ago because there were so many. It blows my mind how people who surprisingly still enjoy the game don't do what it takes to help save it, but insist on continuing to attempt to destroy whats left of it.

[Fire Hawk154]

Don't see how people can look into the mirror and think they're a remotely good person when they go out of their way to harm other people on a videogame. People still hide behind "it's the internet so everything is allowed" because they can't take responsibility for their own actions. All this beef is just pointless and has done far more damage than good. In the end it always backfires, when you kill another clan it only means less action for your own clan. Would probably be better if the current clan world dies so a new generation can start over, with hopefully better manners.

[Wee Man]

Don't see how people can look into the mirror and think they're a remotely good person when they go out of their way to harm other people on a videogame. People still hide behind "it's the internet so everything is allowed" because they can't take responsibility for their own actions. All this beef is just pointless and has done far more damage than good. In the end it always backfires, when you kill another clan it only means less action for your own clan. Would probably be better if the current clan world dies so a new generation can start over, with hopefully better manners.

It all depends on where you draw the line, I don't agree that RL flaming is necessary but I'm of the mindset if someone does it to me I'll do it back to them although admittedly when things get heated a lot of us tend to lash out and say some outlandish shit with the intent of making the other person angrier than you are, me included. I think talking shit to each other is just natural, you see it in all forms of competition and this being a video game amplifies that due to perceived anonymity people have. People get far too upset in game over words when in reality they should be getting upset at things like DDoSing, Doxing, IP grabbing, hacking and things along those lines rather than all the shit talking we do to each other. 

People crashing each other just stemmed from clans trying to "starve" each other or just straight up refusing to fight someone who was stronger than them for fear of losing so what else are clans supposed to do? Sit there with no activity and hope someone is brave enough to scrap? I don't think so, taking action from whoever, wherever and whenever is much better than being stagnant in my opinion.

[Dox17]

Recently got to see Revenant members join CT's DMM cc on stream flaming someone's (actual) dead parents. Reminds me of when RoT used to do the same to DF members. Probably not the kind of thing you want to learn and copy from other clans, haha.

Imagine being so emotionally shut off that you think this is acceptable behavior regardless of a in-game 2007 java based game beef.